if your bank doesn't give you knowledgeable customer service 24/7, you need an ally. ally bank. no nonsense. just people sense. >>neil: greece burns. america spends. and now we could get burned next. welcome, everybody, i am neil cavuto. remember what the president said? i pledge to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term in office. >>neil: three years later the budget deficit has barely budged and now will be $300 million more than the administration thought. the president saying today we just cannot cut or way into growth but critics say he need not worry. there is a lot more spending including $476 billion for

transportation projects, and $30 billion to modernize schools, and $30 billion to higher teachers and police and firefighters and today, $8 billion for community colleges. all noble ideas but wisconsin republican senator says we cannot afford one. >>guest: of thely, the senate will not take up a budget this year according to senator harry reid which is irresponsible. and i came off the floor of the senate trying to give the big picture. you are talking about the small items that will not come close to fixing the problem. and we need to center on the fact over the next 10 years, he is proposing spending $47 billion, taking the debt up to -- rather, trillion, trillion, trillion -- and proposing to take the debt even more and we

seeing what is happening in greece. i am afraid we just a couple of years behind greece because we are not taking the situation serious and the president has not been leading. he had a chance but hebrew d -- but he did blow his chance. >>neil: we could be looking at that in the streets here if we got a fraction of the same thing but you say time is rung out, per, with the debt we are piling up? >>guest: the concern is we get a debt crisis which is the world investors come to the country and say i will not loan you anymore money. or not at that interest rate. and, in greece they hit the first debt crisis, their interest rate spiked by 8 percent in a short period f that happens in the united states it would cost us $1.2 in interest and wipe out all discretionary spending. i don't where interest rate would go when world investors

look at the united states which is in longer the reserve currency but that is the day of reckoning we are trying to head off. >> you mentioned we have three plus years without a budget, at all, and you just said it is unlikely that harry reid would take this up in the senate and we hear confirmation of that from other sources, so it could be four years without a budget. americans are saying, well, life is going on, so, what are you hot and bothered about? >>guest: we have heard testimony to this, thure veto in such shambles the world cannot turn not euro as the reserve so the united states is the world's reserve, so we have the luxury of printing money to delay that day but we are looking at the ground and not dropping but gravity will take effect and it will not be pretty. >>neil: but it is never pretty for the party or the candidate

or senator or congressman or woman who puts specifics into that. in other words, not only are you going to trim the programs here is what you will specifically do and then this is hell to pay. paul ryan found out the hard way. do you think there is resolve by many if your party? >>guest: this are not enough with that resolve. look what paul ryan did. he was demonized but he is not backing off. >>neil: he was demonized by many in your party? >>guest: that is a shame certainly not by me. i support his effort of edging the problem and putting forth a solid, serious proposal and he will continue to do it with the house budget and that was passed last year, in the house of representatives, and would have only spent $40 trillion, and i hate to say "only," versus president obama at $46 trillion.

the art, do we spend $40 trillion or $47 trillion. we hear about the cuts but it is talking about how we will try and reduce the rate of growth in government spending. that is what the argument is about. >>neil: you are right. we are trying to get our wording right, republican or democrat, just slowing the growth of spending. thank you, senator. fair and balanced, and the ranking member of the budget committee, the most powerful democrats on capitol hill and it looks like in the senate harry reid will not bring this to a vote so is it his way of saying, i don't think i can get the votes in the senate to get this passed? >>guest: why think that. what senator harry reid is saying, congress passed last summer something called the budget control act which cuts discretionary spending by over

$2 trillion and if you include the sequestration, $1 trillion in caps put put in place and another $1.2 trillion through the sequester, and what harry reid is saying, we have in place those controls with respect to discretionary spending when it comes to the other things like whether we should be closing the tax loopholes and what we should be doing on some of the other mandatory spending programs that will be the subject of this election. >>neil: i know that, but what you are saying, the president's effort is a waste of parent and time, right? >>guest: well, i think the president has put forward a good blueprint but the house republicans have made it clear they thing it is a nonstarter. you have see their statements today. >>neil: prove them wrong in a democratic control senate prove them wrong and show republicans exactly your moxcy.

>>guest: well, in the house we will have a democratic alternative budget. >>neil: his budget. his budget vote on his budget. >>guest: ours will be based largely on the president's proposal because it does two important things: it helps nurture a fragile who and invested in jobs. we have to get the payroll tax cut extension for 160 million americans and the president has called for that since september. >>neil: i know he is talking about investing in jobs but it moons you have money to invest. we don't. we are flat broke the we oh more than our entire country makes in g.d.p. so we cannot invest anything, right? >>guest: so you need to do two things, make sure that the fragile recovery keeps going. that means putting more money in people's pockets so in the short term it could be an uptick in the deficit but what the president's proposal does over 10 years he brings the deficits way down, to 2.8 percent of

g.d.p., a dramatic decline and stabilizes the debt as a percentage of the economy and puts it on a positive trend and he does it in a balanced way. so the issue here isn't whether or not we need to reduce the deficit over the ten-year period. of course we do. the issue is, how? the republicans do it by slashing the budget, not by ending the medicare guarantee. can you have a discussion about that but that is what they did. >>neil: does it bother you, medicare, say what you will, the president did not touch medicare and medicaid. >>guest: actually, actually, actually --. >>imus: that is a big exception. >>guest: the president's proposal he submitted calls for about $300 billion in reductions to the medicare area primarily by asking the drug companies, the pharmaceuticals --. >>neil: that is over 10 years and we are looking at a land that produces $5 trillion at a minimum, more in debt than we have now f that is -- have now,

and if that is cutting seen me up. >>guest: it stabilizes the debt as a percentage of economy and puts it downward direction. the reason --. >>neil: but it is still digging. >>guest: the reason the republicans object --. >>neil: senator, you are damn right you but why isn't anyone talking about shrinking it, not just slowing the growth, actually reversing it? reversing? >>guest: you have to turn the corner and that is what the budget does. >>neil: we are not rounding the bend. either party. either party. >>guest: what it does, neil, at the end of the window, it stabilizes the debt as a percentage of the economy, and you hear this talk about the united states and greece, we are not greece. the reality is --.

>>neil: say what you will they are facing up to it. they spend less in entitlements as a pentagon of g.d.p. than we do. >>guest: you have no argument here about getting the deficit under control. the president proposes to do that in a balanced way and part of the proposal is to say to folks at the high end of the income scale you have to go back to paying the same rates as during the clinton administration and he says you have to close the correspondent tax loopholes that reward deans shipping jobs overseas, that makes common sense to most americans, but our republican colleagues have opposed one penny, one penny going to deficit reduction foreclosing tax loopholes. that is not responsible. we need a balanced we approach asking for shared responsibility^. although we can all do better. this is on the right track. >>neil: thank you very were, congressman. good to see you.

one of the most power will democrats on the hill. and now greece, rock the by the worst violence, yet, as they try to push law the drastic cuts. and ashley webster is in athens with the latest. >> they are calmer than 24 hours ago, neil, that is the good news. this time last night this location was literally covered in tear gas and smoke from burning buildings and 100,000 people were down on the street, some of those attacking police and throwing rocks and looting shops, the worse violence in many, many months because of the austerity measures. the people are very upset. they cannot take any more cuts. however, the greek parliament passed the austerity measures because greece needs the help from the european union to get more bailout money in order to pay their bills. some of the items that were

among the austerity measures include cutting 15,000 public sector jobs, cutting the minimum wage another 20 percent, and they require a written commitment from the leaders that they will stick with the reforms especially after the we new elections in april and they also have to identify another $325 million euros in budget savings before the union says okay you can have the bailout money. it is quiet now but this country, still, is very much in limbo. >>neil: no deficit here, apple is doing something they have never done before closing over $500 a share for the first time, ever, in large part because of brisk sales of the iphone and ipad and now have close to $100 billion in cash, on hand. remember this was a stock going for around $100 in early 2009

and people thought the puppy had already run its lapse. we will be all over this one hour from now on fox business network. the obama campaign releasing information to fight the rivals and ron paul says this is a sign that the president is truly worried. [ horn honks ]

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guess i am supposed to be reassured two million people rounded up to tell me the truth. it sounds like a propaganda team or propaganda squad is going to go out and give us the spin and do nothing more than more politicking. that is how i see it. >>neil: i think what they are trying to do is doing the same to the president, i think it is, the idea the same day, if not same hour, response. what do you make of that? >>guest: well, you know, you can poke fun at it like i am because it sounds silly on the surface but politics is a messy business and we are both on the receiving end and delivery end and you try to compensate and sometimes we do not always get a fair shot not reporting by the various media outlets so that is all what politics is about but suddenly to call it the truth

and the whole truth and nothing but the truth, that is probably a little bit more than i think it is. >>neil: speaking of getting to the truth on something, a lot of your folks feel the maine caucuses were stolen from you and you would have won it but the romney campaign conspired with the maine state g.o.p. to suppress your vote in the state. do you think there is any truth to that? >>guest: i don't have any facts on that. this is just a lot of suspicion because last go around in 2008 the only county i won handedly was washington county in the far north and it is sort of ironic, it does raise questions why on the morning of the vote it was canceled, and they were not going do have it but have it later and the other thing that is strange is that when they vote they don't count. they count toward delegates which is what we care about, we

still care about the p.r. for bragging rights but? we win by ten or 20 it will not happen like iowa, saying we made a mistake, we recounted. this is not recounting but allowing people to finish voting. so i think there is reason to. raise questions. i would like to know the real truth. i don't know how these things come about but certainly it raises questions. if it were in another district less questions would have been raised. but this was the county that everyone knew we had the most support. >>neil: are you saying, sir, that the vote was suppressed? not allowed? both? >>guest: they did not have the caucus. they were supposed to arrive at 8:00, and it was canceled. the party canceled it for that day. and there are allowed to hold the caucus next week but when they made that announcement of who woman, they said even when

we hold the vote next week, we are not going to add them up and report back. there will be a different winner of the straw vote. >>neil: it with not be like what with when they recounted or whatever they called it, that in that case rick santorum emerged the victor and not mom. >>guest: that is the case. they will not do it. this would have been more justified. before there was a recount and to this casey they have not had a chance to vote and there are several other precincts, you know, just not in the north. >>neil: they are pointing to a couple of them. and romney says this is silly and not true, but, you have not yet won a contest. and the others have and you have been racking up delegates along the way and you have been impressive overall, but, you need a win, right? >>guest: well, say ultimately in a month we think we will win the delegates so, that is the

win that counts even more so than the straw vote. but you are right, p.r. wise it would be great to come out some evening and say, well, we won the straw vote and in some of the other races, where you when the straw vote you may not win the delegates anyway. >>neil: that is true. >>guest: we will keep working on that and so far we have been starting the accumulation but no one really knows. you see on tv the announcement, so and so has the delegates but very few are absolutely firm, because even the ones -- it will take a couple months, yet, to find out who got the delegates. >>neil: thank you, congressman. holy hell on the contraception thing. just ahead. f i need help, i cand it online, by phone

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>>neil: and the overture to

the religious on the contraception thing. they are not overwhelmed. not even close. the message to the white house, not debating it again. >>chris: you are not changing? >> the policy is clear. we set out our policy. >>neil: so it is set in stone. bishop, good do have you with us. what do you think? >>guest: the policies, this compromise that was proffered on friday, is simply a sham. it is strange that you would think you could have a compromise and announce it unilaterally, usually you get people around the table and then you work on a compromise but this was a compromise from on high that doesn't, really, address the issues we raise which is the freedom of religion

and the right and dignity of life. >>neil: you were not alerted or american bishops in general alerted to the provision that they want, that the administration wanted, to include coverage for birth control and things like that? or were you alerted to the fix after? >>guest: in august we were alerted about the mandate coming down and we submitted comments. not only us, but i think they received over 50,000 comments and hundreds coming from catholic universities and catholic hospitals, and catholic organizations. we were ignored completely on those suggestions on our comments we submitted, and they went forth with their announcement on january 20th, and, now, after the furor we have the announced compromise an attempt to kick the can down the road hoping the controversy will

settle down and they can do what they announced they would do from the beginning. which is completely objectionable to us. >>neil: an area where i see a big loophole and concern for you, those catholic institutions, or others, that areful -- are self-insurers and a lot of insurance companies did not welcome the profession because they did not see it coming, but self insured catholic institutions and other institutions face this moral question all over again. right? >>guest: that is connect. a good number of our catholic diocese are self-insured and there is no relief provided in the so-called "compromise." at the same time, too, we want to advocate for all involved in this, and that extends beyond catholics and beyond religious institutions. what about a nonprofit that has

objections to this? or, even a businessman that is providing insurance for its low, should he be obliged to ask against his conscience? >>neil: what has been the response from your your diocesed beyond? >>guest: the response has been favorable. i had a letter read at the parishes route lining our objections and one pastor told me that after he finished reading the letter, the people applauded the standing ovation and i said when i am there in opinion they do not give me a standing ovation. >>neil: finally, is it your sense if they get the language right, in the follow-up version, that from jack lew, that is not coming but if they do, our damaged relations such that,

whatever relations there were between bishops and the white house, have been permanently frayed? >>guest: well, this is not about our relations with the white house. we are not concerned whether we are on their christmas card list or anyone else's christmas card lit. we are tag about principles. we did not invite the fight. it came to us. the principles are clear. we want to stand on the principle that religious freedom is for all. and the respect and life, of each individual person, should be respected. >>neil: do you trust the president? >>guest: well, with this compromise he is speaking with forked tongue right now. and we would want to --.

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>>neil: and we are getting word of mother nature problem, 5.3 earthquake in northern california extending into southern oregon originally

reported 5.7 in a remote area south of oregon and we know it was shallow by earthquake standards at 20 or 20.4 miles but no reports of damage. we pass that along. >> gas prices spiking again. and the national average now is more than $3.50 a gallon. a lot of refiners are closing and when it looks like there is no relief ahead, could this guy be the guy do provide it in at 6:00 p.m. on fox business network find out who he is. and why his chances could help us. that guy alone on fox business network. no more mr. nice guy, rick santorum crying foul when rick santorum wins the cpac straw pole.

>> i don't rig polls. there was unhappiness at the announcement. romney campaign on how many tickets they have bought. we have heard all sorts of things. >>neil: whatever your thoughts republican strategist says going negative is not a positive for senator santorum. you think that he is wasting his time. >>guest: absolutely. look what happened to an santorum in the same position of newt gingrich coming out of south carolina. newt gingrich went missing and it was like the titanic. santorum has to be upbeat, for main street conservative. if he does that and he wins michigan and ohio mitt romney could be on the run. >>neil: but if he is pointing out that the way a lot these events work, you get your supporters in the room other in a convention center, and they fill up seats and these people are votes there could be thought that the romney forces with deeper pocket could have used

that and the money and the influence. >>guest: that's true. that's a real responsibilities. the cpac straw poll only has been right three times: 1980, 1984 and 2000. it is meaningless. it is made up of conservatives but everyone has their own agenda and team romney probably put something in there but the g.o.p. voters do not want to hear whiners or excuses. they want you to tell them why you should vote for them. he is up by double digits in michigan and rick santorum could give a scare to romney. >>neil: one poll has him leading in supposedly mitt romney's home state, where his father was a governor for throw terms and now mitt romney any trailing. you say this stuff could hurt santorum going forward? >>guest: absolutely but he has to stay positive. let the super pacs did your duty

work. gingrich has a vendetta against romney. you stay positive. you get the opening. if you win michigan and oh oh it could be a two man rain and you will get the races to go toe to toe with mitt. >>neil: and ron paul wondered if hanky hanky-panky was going on, and --. >>guest: ron paul may have a point but the media marryive is romney one, and ron paul is everyone's crazy uncle. no one is going to listen. he has done well in all fairness to dr. paul but he will not be the g.o.p. nominee. this is the antiromney voting bloc and the person best positioned is rick santorum but he has to stay positive and tell conservativey they should rally

behind him. >>neil: thank you, did to see you. at least these guys are facing their financial demons, right? why does it seem we are just running away from ours?

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we dismiss the urgency a of the problem, and i think it can happen. >>guest: i think we do think that. we are sitting here thinking it could never happen here and we are -- ignorance is bliss. but it can. we have to see what is happening in greece to see what could lay in our future if we do not do something. the difference is we have time. we have time. we can cut spending. and we can reign in our debt, and not have to face the tough choices that greece is facing. >>neil: you raise a good question because 10 years ago the world bank, imf, whatever trust you put not institutions said greece's direction was not sustainable. >>guest: that is right, and the united states is not that far off, just a few years from being in the same situation. so, maybe we should heed the

warning. >>neil: we chatted during the break, and greeks spend less on social programs as a percent of g.d.p. than we do. >>guest: yes. when you have 10,000, no, more than that, seniors entering the system each darks medicare and social security are not sustainable unless they are reformed. >>neil: they are fellow yuppies of mine, by the way. you have been consistent that this has been a republican building up in republican and democratic administrations but we do not show the resolve. i talked to a republican legislator early, a broad interview about spending but they will not give me specifics. >>guest: we can talk a good game, but when the rubber meets the road you have a difference of opinion have. >>neil: so, are republicans going to be any better at

dealing with this? >>guest: they have not in the past. we have seen or debt increase under president bush and president obama, so the republicans have not been any better. however, they have shown through last year's budget and what we hear will be in this year's budget, a lot more resolve when it comes to solving the problem. >>neil: so, hypothetical, if the president were re-elected, the senate flipped, what would we see? we would see the loggerheads on spending? >>guest: i don't know if you look at the payroll tax debate --. >>neil: that is a preview. >>guest: it could not be a good sign. however, in the past, a balanced government, where the power is split between republicans and democrats, it has been good for our spending, mr., budget, and economy. >>neil: this where broken and split government is not helpful to get things resolved. >>guest: people are more part

>>jonathan: ever, 47 percent on the left are hard their positions and 47 percent open right are hard if their position, so, you only have roughly 6 percent of the american public who actually is willing to give-and-take, and be reasonable. >>neil: we will see. good to see you, thank you very much. in the meantime, maybe she is dead not because of illegal stuff she took but the legal stuff she took more. if so whitney houston would not be the first and a doctor here to predict, sadly, she will not be the last. the most awarded cars in 2011. the volt's battery has been tested for more than 395,000 hours. ♪ and, most importantly, the volt has received the highest overall vehicle score for safety possible. [ cheers and applause ] the extended-range electric chevy volt. hard to argue with the facts.

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>>neil: we are hearing courtesy of a.p. prescription drugs were found at the hotel room where whitney houston died. not large quantities but they were found, a source of concern

for folks trying to find out how the star died. and casey is outside the coroner's office. casey? >>casey: the core increase's office here has said that they did find the few prescription bottles if her hotel room but he said that it was not very much and, in fact, the assistant chief told us earlier that most people at home probably have more in their personal medicine cabinet than what was discovered. beverly hills police recognize that the pop icon friends, family, and fans want answers but they say they have to be careful with the information they are releasing. here is why. >> during an investigation, it requires us to keep confidential anything we are investigating. that is standard with the police department for any definite investigation. and, we will follow the evidence. >>casey: it will take up to

eight weeks before the toxicology results come back and an official cause is determined. the body is supposed to be blown to the east coast with the funeral held later this week in new jersey. sources close to the family say they are considering venues like the newark produce den shell center, so, obviously, a big place to remember this legend. >>neil: thank you, casey. if her death was caused by a deadly combination of prince drugs, it would not be the first time we have seen something like this and we remember anna nicole smith and keith ledger and this will not be the last time says the doctor. what do you make of it? >>guest: prescription drug overdose is now the number two cause of accidental death in the united states following motor vehicle accidents and xanax, one prescription drug mentioned here, there are 50 million prescriptions written each year and the number one psychiatric drug described.

antianxiety and see sedation. i am concerned the doctors make it too available. it may not take a lot. if you have alcohol, and you also take a sedative, you can actually be knocked unconscious quickly, and it suppresses breathing in the brain, so, if -- there are a lot of "ifs," if she was in the bathwater and under the water it could be because she stopped breathing from the medication. the combination of alcohol and sedatives is not good and if it was more than one sedative, i would never prescribe more than one, xanax and valium, all mentioned, some concerns about what we call poly pharmacy, physicians that are enabling celebrities. >>neil: but even after the michael jackson would they not be leery?

>>guest: the same pharmacy has been mention the here and it is still open. the drug enforcement age has not been that strong in getting doctors to step doing this. doctors have a hit of enabling celebrities. >>neil: there is a lot we don't know. and the preparation pills we are found are what we find in a modern medicine cabinet but another thing i worry about when people unintentionally get prescriptions from different venues, say you go to rite aid or c.v.s., who is keeping track? >>guest: no one. and 70's percent of the preparation drugs of this kind, sedatives or painkillers are taken by someone other than would they are intended to. that is totally shocking. so the bodyguard could have had it predescribed and ends up

someone else taking it. i am setting a scene. i don't the outcome. i don't know what the toxicology report will show but it is way too premature to have any kind of answer here. but we cannot talk about prescription drugs without talking about the doctors. >> you have argued we are so fixated on illegal drugs that we did not focus on the danger in our midst and the people who die each year through lethal combination. >>guest: prescription drugs outweigh illegal drugs as the number one cause of accidental death from overdose. that says it all. prescription drugs are the problem. they have gone up 400 percent in the past decade in terms of abuse. >>neil: if you are terroristing -- trusting your pharmacy to look for drugs that may not be compatible are you taking a risk? >>guest: i think you are. but a problem is a patient could have more than one physician and

go to more than one pharmacy and it is not always possible to track that so physicians have the responsibility to get as much of this information as they can. >>neil: thank you very much, doctor, be very cautious. last week he offended catholic's religious sensibility and today he offended america's economic sensibility. . [ tom ] we invented the turbine business right here in schenectady.

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but no entitlement. not even the minor adjustments to address the onslaught. i know budgets aren't worth the paper it's printed on. but things change, forecast change and economies change. here is one thing i don't think does change. those in the election year never change. they are forever political documents. this makes a big deal right now about the rich paying their fair share. it doesn't say boo about the half of americans who pay no income taxes at all and whether that is fair. if it's the right thing to do going after the rich to pony up more, is it at least wise to consider the millions of households to pony up nothing at all. many in the group cannot pay and should not pay, but half of americans. budgets reflect the reality of

the political moments. but the reality of urgency, that much is clear in the budget. there is a reason why this thing is dead on arrival. hasn't a pulse leaving the gate and hasn't been considered for vote in the democratic sense. harry reid knows it doesn't have a chance leaving the gate. but because it doesn't talk tough doesn't mean we can't be tough. in this case, it isn't tough. the president says you can't cut your way to growth. we needn't worry because he didn't even try. what can this basketball superstar teach the field of candidates this we find out an hour from now on fox business network. it's more than you think. a lot of you are saying what does a star basketball player have to do with the world of business? it must be something. it must be something deeply meaningful. involve a chat with the star himself. potential